Woahhhhh..... Are you not all finding this super boring and a total waste of adenosine triphosphate?
My cellular level of energy transfer is beat. 4 days of these topics for me. I'm getting tired. I want a few days off to recharge.
Christ Alone
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How is creationism DISPROVED?
by sabastious init is disproven.
but let's start another thread, because this one is being yanked off track again.
creationism/evolution always deserves its own thread.
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Atheists V Creationists ... FACE OFF
by snare&racket inwe should set 3 topics.
1. creation and evolution (origins of life).
2. religion.
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whew...after the last few days, I'm beat on this topic. Maybe I'll sit this one out for a bit. I like the idea though.
I'd like a structured discussion. Bring up a topic, stick to the topic, avoid personal attacks, avoid fallacies if at all possible.
The only problem is that there may not be enough educated believers to contribute. Or patient enough atheists. Yeah, I'm sitting this one out.
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Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?
by Chariklo inuntil recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.
it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.
do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.
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Christ Alone
Oxford English Dictionary: about as authoritative as it gets.
atheism: disbelief in the existence of god; godlessness.
straight from the page.
So I guess by saying disbelief in God 100%, I'm wrong? That seems to be the idea. So is it disbelief 99%? What's the ratio? I guess I'll avoid the 100% in the future? Sounds like trying to redefine the dictionary to me.
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Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?
by Chariklo inuntil recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.
it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.
do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.
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Christ Alone
The only thing quoted from that book was that both atheists and theists use fallacies, rather be in hades. That was it. But you couldn't acceept that. Fine. I'm done talking with you. I prefer to talk with those that have some usefull thinking skills to contribute. And yes, that was scornful.
literally ..holy shit... Wo would have imagined the EVIDENCES for the existance of god
Snare and Racket, I've already discussed my direct evidence as being largely experiencial. So they would be of no use to you. No I don't hear voice or any of that garbage. And yes I know the arguments against experiencial evidence. I will not convince you of my experiences and I don't desire to anyway. They are my experiences. If experience has not shown you that God exists, that's fine for you.
I am driving you nuts because you want something to be true that isn't and it's frustrating for you.
I'm not frustrated. At least at no one but Rather be in hades who cannot debate intelligently. I'm frustrated at avoiding the points brought up and instead making general comments that have nothing to do with anything that I said.
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templelijah
by turtleturtle inis templelijah serious when he posted this to his blog?.
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/gb-8k-infiltration/gb-stephen-lett-flashes-666-hand-sign/.
what is your take on this elijah?
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These images are largely the same phenomenon that occurs in the Rorschach ink blot test. Many of the images have to be mirrored to appear. This is the same phenomenon that happes when looking at clouds in the sky, and they appear in the shape of something recognizable. There is hidden satanic imagery in anything if you look hard enough. I'm sure ewatchman or templelijah could find the same phenomenon in Time magazine, readers digest, Scientific American, or Knitting Weekly. I'm not saying that something couldn't have slipped through by an artist that was feeling a bit cheeky. But seeing faces in clothes is common in alot of artwork and photography.
Why do you think people have seen the virgin mary in a piece of toast? Of the crucifix on the side of a building? People see what they want to see and it's a well known phenomenon. It's called Pareidolia. Remember the face on mars?
Here's another of Jesus in the clouds:
Here's one of Jesus in a grilled cheese:
Here's an evil spirit in the trees:
This also occurs commonly in art. Here are more examples:
See the face?
Here is a scary one from an Ultrasound:
Face in a tree:
Here is one of the more convincing:
Here's an example from a Canadian dollar bill:
Much of the examples ewatchman gives require using a mirror image, the same as ink blots. Again, it's seeing images that aren't really there.
So can we let it rest now? It's been debunked. It's a well known psychological phenomenon. The mind will cause face and images will appear randomly in art, photography, and in life.
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Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?
by Chariklo inuntil recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.
it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.
do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.
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EP, you're driving me nuts! Maybe you should go read a science book or something to know why.
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Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?
by Chariklo inuntil recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.
it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.
do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.
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Christ Alone
Could someone give me a dictionary definition of atheism that is true then?
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Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?
by Chariklo inuntil recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.
it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.
do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.
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That was direct sarcasm, EE. I've read your LOOOONNNNGGGG posts on the philosophy of Star Wars. I guess my sarcasm wasn't obvious...
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Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?
by Chariklo inuntil recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.
it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.
do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.
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Posting links to logical fallacies and using examples that make atheists looks bad (on purpose) doesn't strengthen your argument, it just shows your bias. And it does not make your assertion correct.
I absolutely wasn't trying to make atheists look bad. In fact my main point was that we ALL do it. That was the whole point! Not picking on atheists! But instead of admiting that yeah we all tend to use these fallacies, hades wanted to just turn it on me and say that I was using old materials and I need to take some chemistry classes. I then told him that I am a college graduate and have taken many science classes including chemistry, anthropology, astronomy, etc... All because I wanted to state that we all use fallacies and would do well to avoid them. I really DO try to avoid attempting to make atheists look bad on any of my posts.
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Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?
by Chariklo inuntil recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.
it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.
do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.
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If you are saying something wrong about science, suggesting you go read up on it is not a logical fallacy
Absolutely correct. However, when nothing wrong is stated about science but the argument is "Just go read some anthropology or something", that is a fallacy. Interestingly I was not even commenting about science when this was brought up. I was stating that both theist and atheist use logical fallacies. I gave a specific example from a textbook. Instead of discussing the claim, it was brought up, "Well that book was from 1996. It's not in use anymore." Nothing about the comments it made. And the line of thinking degraded into "You know nothing about science."
It was bizarre. And I don't think hades was even reading my posts closely. He thought I was arguing in favor of the rapture and miracles. All I was asking was IF those things WERE true, would that be enough evidence? If not, what sort of evidence would it take to believe in God. That was it. What would be enough evidence. Atheists love to say, there is no evidence of God. So I was asking, Well what evidence would be enough for you?
